ATP - informacje ogólne

[Barty]

Mnie w tych warningach najbardziej nie pasuje to, że dają je w trakcie ruchu serwisowego, bardzo często przy bp. Wolałbym, żeby to było obwieszczane po punkcie, a nie w jego trakcie, odebranie podania obowiązywało by też w kolejnym punkcie. Może jest to pogmatwane, ale na pewno mniej przeszkadza niż krzyk w trakcie, gdy jesteś skoncentrowany, a do tego bronisz bp.

To ile challenge`ów zostało ogłaszają po punkcie i to działa.

Odnosisz się tylko do pierwszej kary, czyli odbioru podania, a co z pozostałymi, czyli odebranie punktu, gema? Musi to być ze skutkiem natychmiastowym, czyli od razu po danym przekroczeniu.
Można nawet wziąć przykład meczowej, wtedy żadna kara nie zdąży dosięgnąć zawodnika, jeśli wygra tą piłkę, bez sensu.

[Lucas]

Uważam, że maksymalną karą powinna być strata pierwszego, nawet nie wiedziałem, że punkty też zabierają.

Wczoraj jak Nishikori dostał warna to musiał to skomentować, wymienił uwagi i z arbitrem i oczywiście musiał jeszcze zaserwować. Cała akcja trwała ponad minutę, więc czasowo dużo na tym nie zyskali.

[DUN I LOVE]

Fognini wczoraj stracił punkt i w konsekwencji gema.

[Lucas]

Fognini wczoraj stracił punkt i w konsekwencji gema.

I to już jest za dużo. Nie tak się powinno wygrywać punkty. Za daleko to idzie.

[Mario]

Ale wygrywać punkty dzięki naginaniu przepisów już można?

[Lucas]

Przeciągnięcie czasu serwowania o kilka sekund (a średnio są to raczej 2-3) nie daje automatycznie punktu. Można równie dobrze zaserwować w siatkę. Także Rafie się to zdarzało. Tak generalnie nie dostaje tych warningów aż tak często żebym miał się o co kłócić, ale ten sport polega przede wszystkim na odbijaniu piłeczki, a nie na serwowaniu na czas. Obecny system z zabieraniem punktów uważam za zbyt ostry, a regulowanie tego zegarem i jakaś taka robotyzacja meczu to już dość duże przegięcie.

[Mario]

Nie daje automatycznie, ale zwiększa szanse, o to tu chodzi.

Żeby nie było, też jestem przeciwnikiem zegara, bo to jakaś błazenada będzie, niemniej obecny system jest jak najbardziej ok.

P.S. Fognini stracił punkt za ostrzeżenie, które dostał za jakiś gest, nic z serwisem tam związane nie było.

[Lucas]

Tak generalnie nie jest to u mnie związanie wyłącznie z Nadalem (chociaż tak to wygląda), jakoś nigdy nie przywiązywałem wagi do tego czasu pomiędzy punktami, kilka sekund mi nie robi różnicy, zdarzało się, że kiedy na przykład Novak grał przeciwko Hiszpanowi i też przedłużał, nie dopraszałem się w myślach o warning. Jeśli nie jest to jakaś patologia (a tak jak pisałem są to średnio 2-3 sekundy więcej) to nie mam z tym problemu u nikogo.

[Del Fed]

2018 Tennis World Cup - 12 teams, Nadal, Djokovic, Zverev to play

Spoiler:

The Tennis World Cup comes back after a six-year absence and with a completely new format. The first new edition will take place from 16 to 22 July 2018 just after Wimbledon, at the Madison Square Garden in New York.

It will be an inedited format, with every tie featuring four matches: women's singles, men's singles, mixed doubles and especially mixed singles. Each match is divided into four quarters of 20 minutes each, totalling 80 minutes.

The winner of the match is the nation that has won the most games during that time period. The team who will have won more games at the end of the tie will win. They will start with three groups of four teams each. Every tie won earns a team two points, if you draw, you earn one point.

The first two teams of the group reach quarter-finals, and from that stage the knockout phase will begin. In 2018 12 countries and many top players are committed to play, including Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Alexander Zverev, Serena Williams.

However World Cup clarified through its website that the Player participation is subject to agreement and players shown are indicative only. At the moment Andy Murray features in the entry list but he is unsure about playing.

ENTRY LIST United States: Serena Williams, Coco Vandeweghe, Sam Querrey, John Isner
Australia: Jordan Thompson, Bernard Tomic, Samantha Stosur, Daria Gavrilova
Germany: Angelique Kerber, Laura Siegemund, Alexander Zverev, Philipp Kohlschreiber
Great Britain: Andy Murray, Jamie Murray, Johanna Konta, Naomi Broady
Canada: Eugenie Bouchard, Francoise Abanda, Peter Polansky, Vasek Pospisil
Spain: Rafael Nadal, Roberto Bautista Agut, Garbine Muguruza, Carla Suarez Navarro
France: Alizé Cornet, Oceane Dodin, Richard Gasquet, Nicolas Mahut
Serbia: Novak Djokovic, Victor Troicki, Nina Stojanovic, Jelena Jankovic
China: Zhang Shuai, Peng Shuai, Zhang Ze, Wu Di
Japan: Akira Santillan, Yoshihito Nishioka, Risa Ozaki, Misaki Doi
Russia: Elena Vesnina, Svetlana Kuznetsova, Andrey Kuznetsov, Mikhail Youzhny
Argentina: Carlos Berlocq, Federico Delbonis, Nadia Podoroska, Catalina Pella In 2019, year where 16 teams will play, the event will take place in Tokyo, then in 2021 at Sydney, 2023 Paris and 2025 New York.

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news ... v-to-play/

[DUN I LOVE]

Zmarł Jerome Golmard, swego czasu całkiem znany tenisista, który otarł się o Top-20. Miał 43 lata.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/ ... 9/overview

[Damian]

No easy answers when it comes to solving injury issues on tennis tour

Spoiler:

No easy answers when it comes to solving injury issues on tennis tour
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Oct 4, 2017
Peter Bodo
Tennis
It's a fall ritual, as familiar as corn mazes and homecoming football games: an ATP pro complaining about the length of the tennis season, citing the number of players sidelined by injury.

This year, the spokesman is Milos Raonic. He played his first match following a seven-week layoff for wrist surgery Monday in the Japan Open. After his win, he told reporters: "I've had more than a dozen different injuries and reasons that have kept me away from tournaments. That hasn't been fun because I haven't been able to focus on tennis."

Raonic pointed out that the top five players of 2016 all missed the 2017 US Open. He was one of that group, and he's the only one playing this fall. He added, "Maybe it's a testament to some kind of reform being needed for the sake of players' careers and being able to provide a certain caliber of tennis for spectators."


Milos Raonic suggested a seven-month schedule could solve many of the injury issues on the tennis tour. Minas Panagiotakis/Getty Images)
Among Raonic's suggestions: Give players that "really stand out" mandatory events but keep those within a seven-month period. That, he said, would allow players to focus on their health and also give them ample time to work on improving -- presumably in the five-month off-season.

Raonic's frustration is understandable. But it sounds like a cure that's a lot worse than the disease.

Tough as life has been for the oft-injured Raonic, why punish and deprive more durable players of opportunities, or rob spectators of the chance to witness top-flight tennis? Plenty of players go through the year more-or-less healthy.

Injuries are a fact of athletic life. It's impossible to predict who will be most impacted by them over the course of a career, or even where, why and when they will occur. Athletes in every strenuous sport almost all manage injuries, small and large, on a daily basis.

As ESPN analyst Brad Gilbert said in a conference call before the US Open, "I've been involved in the game for like 37 years. There's always been injuries. We have been talking about this forever. Good luck on ever getting it solved, or making tournaments go away, or getting all the entities together to make some changes. I'm not convinced by any means if all of a sudden the guys had more time off that all of a sudden that's going to cure injuries."

Think of it this way: If the NFL season were cut back to 10 games, would no injuries occur? Of course not. It may not be as far-fetched an example as it first seems, because tennis also is a contact sport of sorts -- contact between racket and ball, between foot and hard court. There's stress, there's strain, there's injury.

Moreover, if Raonic thinks the physical grind is demanding now, a seven-month season incorporating Grand Slams and the events he cited as "mandatory" would be brutal.

No, the big thing most critics of tennis' long season always forget is that the sport has always been an interval one. It doesn't really have a "season" and shouldn't be compared to sports that do. There are peaks of intense tennis activity in different parts of the world, and valleys during which the players either idle or chase rankings points in smaller tournaments.

Besides, tennis players largely make their own schedules -- as Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal amply demonstrated by taking so much time off this year. In 2016, at the peak of his powers, Novak Djokovic took off three weeks after each of the first three Grand Slams and almost a month after the US Open. In what other sport can a player take three weeks to a month off at the very peak of the action?

That luxury would vanish in a seven-month season, as would literally hundreds of jobs for ATP pros. "Ninety, 95 percent of the players in the US Open main draw need to play as much as they can to make a living," ESPN analyst Patrick McEnroe said. "That's just a reality. The only players that are making huge money are the top couple of players. If you don't play, you don't make money."

EDITOR'S PICKS

Raonic calls for schedule reform after Japan win
After returning to the ATP Tour in style with a 6-3, 6-4 win over Viktor Troicki at the Japan Open on Tuesday, Milos Raonic called for a review of how the sport is run.

Konta suffers WTA finals blow with injury
Johanna Konta's hopes of qualifying for the WTA Finals have suffered another blow after she pulled out of next week's Hong Kong Open with a foot injury.

Kyrgios given suspension, $25K fine for 'tanking'
The ATP has suspended Nick Kyrgios for at least three weeks and fined him $25,000 for "conduct contrary to the integrity of the game." He will miss the rest of the 2016 season.
The superstars could survive and perhaps even do better financially with a shorter season, especially because they would inevitably play lucrative exhibition matches during the off-season.

One theory is that starving the people of top competitive tennis for five months would only increase the public's appetite. Another theory is that starving people will go wherever they can for food, like to hockey or soccer.

Yet there are some legitimate beefs with the way tennis is structured. The incessant travel is a factor that doesn't impact athletes in other sports nearly as much. Close, exhausting matches on successive days are unique to tennis because of the game's knockout-draw format.

There's a constant, relentless hum of criticism surrounding the preponderance of hard courts on the tour. Isn't tennis sufficiently advanced to embrace joint-and-muscle friendly surfaces everywhere?


Tennis impresarios are forever talking about speeding up the game. Maybe it's time to embrace the match-tiebreaker at most best-of-three events, at least up until the final. All the majors should play a final-set tiebreaker; nobody will surpass Isner-Mahut anyway (well, let's hope not).

If nothing else, speed up the hard courts, or the balls, or both. Reward players who show a willingness to attack or serve-and-volley. Those five-hour baseline struggles are like certain songs by the Grateful Dead -- more impressive for their length than their content.

Length of match may be a bigger problem for tennis than length of season, but Raonic doesn't see it that way. He said, "It's hard to peak four times of the year for Grand Slams. Let alone for other tournaments."

That may be true, but it's still difficult to see how it would be any easier to peak four times for critical events compressed into a seven-month period.

http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/2 ... ennis-tour

[Damian]

[Damian]

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[Lucas]

[arti]

[Barty]

Też przestaliście mieć możliwość sprawdzić wyniki danego zawodnika w historii danego turnieju na stronie ATP? Widzę tylko możliwość opcję wszystkich szlemów, wszystkich M1000 itp.

[Kubecki]

Też przestaliście mieć możliwość sprawdzić wyniki danego zawodnika w historii danego turnieju na stronie ATP? Widzę tylko możliwość opcję wszystkich szlemów, wszystkich M1000 itp.

Tak

[Damian]

[arti]