Wzrost w tenisie

[Joao]

Nie da się ukryć, że zawodnicy są coraz wyżsi. Wprawdzie w Top 100 wieżowców ponad 2 metry mamy tylko dwóch, ale jest cała masa graczy mierzących ponad 190 cm. Młodzi Kyrgios, Zverev mają ponad 190 cm. Za kilka-kilkanaście lat, standardem będzie właśnie taki wzrost.

Na potrzeby niniejszych rozważań policzyłem średnią wzrostu Top 100 (uff... było ciężko)w latach: 1982, 1990, 2000 i 2016. Oto co wyszło z moich obliczeń:

1982 - średnia: 183,1 cm

1990 - średnia: 183,6 cm

2000 - średnia: 184,8 cm

2016 - średnia: 186,8 cm

Jak widać zawodnicy są średnio prawie 4 cm wyżsi niż 34 lata temu. Może się to wydawać mało, ale trend jest rosnący. Kwestią czasu jest, kiedy po Szlema sięgnie gracz mający przynajmniej 2 metry.

[DUN I LOVE]

Kwestią czasu jest, kiedy po Szlema sięgnie gracz mający przynajmniej 2 metry.

Mam jednak wątpliwości, bo o ile kwestią czasu było podbicie tej granicy do 185-190cm, o tyle przy 2 metrach może być problem z odpowiednią koordynacją i poruszaniem się (wiadomo, zawsze jakiś fenomen typu Del Potro czy Zlatan może się pojawić).

[Joao]

Mam jednak wątpliwości, bo o ile kwestią czasu było podbicie tej granicy do 185-190cm, o tyle przy 2 metrach może być problem z odpowiednią koordynacją i poruszaniem się (wiadomo, zawsze jakiś fenomen typu Del Potro czy Zlatan może się pojawić).

Myślę, że za kilkanaście lat 190 cm to będzie standard, zwłaszcza wśród czołówki.

Uważam, że skoro w tym stuleciu już dwóch graczy ze Szlemem ma prawie dwa metry (Del Po i Cilic), to nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie, żeby za jakiś czas pojawił się zwycięzca Szlema mający te 200 cm lub nieco więcej. Del Potro zmierzyć w butach i już ma 2 metry .

[jonathan]

Jak widać zawodnicy są średnio prawie 4 cm wyżsi niż 34 lata temu. Może się to wydawać mało, ale trend jest rosnący. Kwestią czasu jest, kiedy po Szlema sięgnie gracz mający przynajmniej 2 metry.

Miałem swój moment zwątpienia w dyscyplinę, jak oglądałem półfinał RG 2010 Soderling vs Berdych, bo to był czas, kiedy snuto prognozy jak Twoja, ale potem sprawy ułożyły się łaskawie. Wbrew opowieściom o Murole i Rafole średnia długość trwania wymian to jakieś pięć sekund, czyli serwis odgrywa dużą rolę. Na podstawie tego, co napisałeś, wnioskuję, że w przyszłości będzie odgrywał jeszcze większą, na co para Kyrgios-Zverev już nas przygotowuje.

[Joao]

Obiecujący jeśli chodzi o wzrost jest Aguer-Alliasimme, jeszcze w tamtym roku miał 185 cm, teraz ma 191 cm. Może do 2 m dociągnie ( ma niecałe 17 lat)

[Joao]

Top 10 obecnego Race - 186,4 cm

Top 10 Race U-21 - 189,1 cm

[Del Fed]

Ciekawe jakąż to karierę zrobi Reilley Opelka swoją drogą. (211cm) Ostatnio stnął w miejscu, ale mocy w zagraniach z głębi trochę posiada. (serwis to wiadomo)

[Joao]

203 cm olbrzym z Uzbekistanu SHONIGMATJON SHOFAYZIYEV aktulanie 599.

[Damian]

Trzech najmniejszych w TOP 150.

Szkoda, że Gaston po 4 rundzie w zeszłorocznym RG, kompletnie zgasł.

[Nando]

A ten Szwajcar o którym mówił Stopa to ile w końcu ma ? bo on coś się wycofywał z tego 2,39m

[Kiefer]

No właśnie, o kim on mówił?

[Nando]

Mówił o rozstawionym Szwajcarze z juniorskeigo Rolanda, który odpadł w 2 rundzie i pasuje Jerome Kym, ale on ma 1,98m.

[Damian]

Schwartzman: Why Height Doesn't Define Me

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Schwartzman: Why Height Doesn't Define Me
© ATP Tour

Diego Schwartzman
Jun 09, 2021

In this installment of ATPTour.com's My Point series, Argentine Diego Schwartzman explains why being 5'7" was the least difficult hurdle for him to overcome to get where he is now as a professional tennis player

Editor's Note:This story was first published on 24 January 2020

A lot of people ask me about my height.

How does being 5’7” affect you as a tennis pro? What do you think you could have done if you were taller?

My answer is always the same: I have worse problems than being 10 centimetres shorter than everybody else.

When I walk onto a tennis court, I don’t think about how tall I am or how much bigger my opponent is. I know there is a difference, but so what?

Maybe if I was 10 or 15 centimetres taller, I’d have a better serve or be able to hit with more power. But my height isn’t going to change. I’m not going to wake up the size of John Isner or Ivo Karlovic.

There are reasons that I might not have made it here, but they have nothing to do with my size.

Before I was born, my family earned an amazing living in South America. They owned a clothing and jewelry company that made them a lot of money. They had a house in Uruguay where they went every December and January to enjoy the summer. They had a house in the capital and another one outside the capital. They owned many cars. Life was amazing.

But things changed when I was born. My family lost everything. In the 1990s in Argentina, the government cut imports. My father kept spending money to try to get things from outside the country, but there was no chance and he started doing worse and worse and worse. It was terrible. My mom tried to get the material for clothes from China, but there was no way to get it in Argentina.

My family had no more business, no more extra houses and cars. Just me, my two older brothers, my older sister and my parents trying to make a living for us.

Because we didn’t have a lot of money, it was really tough to start playing tennis or any sport for that matter. We really couldn’t afford it. But I played as much as I could.

I was actually named after football legend Diego Maradona, so of course one of the sports I played was football. When I was little, my grandmother bought me uniforms from European teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona. The first team I played for, I scored a lot. I would go to the club to try tennis, too, wearing those same jerseys my grandmother got me. If the courts were full, I would play in a hallway with my father. We always used adult racquets even if I was little, because I never liked the kids racquets.

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As the years went by, I realised that in tennis, most things depended on me, and not others around me. It would be about the effort I put in, and there was a charm about knowing I would be rewarded for the work I put in. I also was better at tennis than football, so I wanted to take it more seriously.

I started travelling to many tournaments with my mother. My dad would promise me that he booked us a nice hotel with TV, computer, Internet and everything that we needed.

Why are you lying?

I used to call him all the time to ask that. There was never a TV, and at almost every tournament we went to we had to share one bed. We stayed once at a hotel because a room cost only two pesos.

It was the same thing over and over, but we had no choice. This is what we could afford.

At one point, we were even selling rubber bracelets that were left over from the business my family had. We did anything we could do to get money to pay for trips to tournaments and the travel costs.

Looking back, it was a tough situation. But at the time, it was funny. I helped my mom selling the bracelets, and so did some of the other players. Between matches we would all run around with a bag of bracelets to see who could sell the most, and my mom would give them 20 per cent of the money. It was like two competitions in one — tennis and selling bracelets!

My Point: Get The Players' Point Of View

I sort of understood at the time why we did all this, but I didn’t feel it, because my parents were trying to work hard to let me focus on playing and travelling while they worried about the money.

When I was 13, I began to go on flights by myself to places like Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador, and I would cry on the plane. I wanted to be with my family. But playing those events was part of my journey. And I know that even if those times were difficult, they helped me become a better competitor.

Also, when I was 13, a doctor told me I would never be taller than 5’7”. I know I told you that height doesn’t mean much. But back then, I was devastated. I didn’t know what I was going to be able to do well with my life if the doctor was right. I didn’t know if I still wanted to play tennis.

My parents didn’t let me get down, though. They told me my height shouldn’t influence my dreams. And luckily, when I was 15 or 16, I started to have many people around who tried to help me with money, travel, a coach, a trainer, with everything. At that point, it became easier for my family and me.

I was never a top junior — the only junior Grand Slam I played was the 2010 US Open qualifying, where I lost in the first round. I messaged my family that day that I didn’t know what I was doing there. But I don’t think about all of those tough times much anymore. And once I became a professional, I never doubted myself, no matter the odds.

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I always had confidence in my game and my career. I always thought I could do it. Here I am now, competing with the best players in the world.

Knowing what my family went through taught me valuable lessons about the importance of family, and gave me a better understanding of how to look at the bigger picture when it comes to sports. Whatever happens in my career doesn't compare to what my parents endured.

But even all of that pales into comparison to what my ancestors went through. I have Jewish roots, and my great grandfather on my mom’s side, who lived in Poland, was put on a train to a concentration camp during the Holocaust.

The coupling that connected two of the train’s cars somehow broke. Part of the train kept going, and the other stayed behind. That allowed everyone trapped inside, including my great grandfather, to run for their lives. Luckily, he made it without being caught. Just thinking about it makes me realise how lives can change in a heartbeat.

My great grandfather brought his family by boat to Argentina. When they arrived, they spoke Yiddish and no Spanish. My father’s family was from Russia, and they also went to Argentina by boat. It wasn’t easy for all of them to totally change their lives after the war, but they did.

So from my ancestor escaping a train on its way to a concentration camp to staying in tiny hotel rooms and selling bracelets, I consider myself lucky. But everyone has a story. I’m not the only one who has faced adversity. It’s about not letting the tough moments drag you down, and using them as motivation to help you turn a bad situation into something good.

I never imagined my career being where it is now. But no matter what I’ve dealt with, I’ve always worked hard, and I think pushing through those hurdles has made me a better competitor and an even better person. If I can get this far, so can you. Believe in yourself no matter what, give everything you have and one day — even if you’re 5’7” — you can accomplish your dreams too.

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- As told to Andrew Eichenholz, with reporting from Juan Diego Ramirez Carvajal and Marcos Zugasti.

https://www.atptour.com/en/news/diego-s ... ture-essay

[Kiefer]

Mówił o rozstawionym Szwajcarze z juniorskeigo Rolanda, który odpadł w 2 rundzie i pasuje Jerome Kym, ale on ma 1,98m.

To może po prostu się pomylił o 41cm.

[Starigniter]

Chyba jedyne zestawienie, w którym Dżerzy Dżanowicz jest w czołówce → https://alltennisgear.com/tallest-tennis-players/

A z tym wzrostem to nie jest do końca tak, jak się wydaje. Nie wiem czemu, ale ogólnie na świecie panuje tendencja do zawyżania swojego wzrostu i tenis nie jest tutaj wyjątkiem.

Przykładem może być Andy Murray, który napisał, że ma 187,5 cm wzrostu, a ATP podało 191 (lol)



Albo Fedale mają wpisane po 185 cm, a moim zdaniem widać wyraźnie, że Rodża jest przynajmniej o 1 cm wyższy od Rafy.

Diego też zapewne sobie zawyża wzrost, bo wygląda na naprawdę niskiego i wątpię, że ma 170 cm. Bardziej wygląda na jakieś 165-167.

Poza tym jako że to amerykańska strona, to używany jest system imperialny, który dla nas, Europejczyków, nie jest zbyt dokładny (my używamy metrycznego, poza Brytyjczykami, aczkolwiek Szkot użył cm - może chciał być dokładniejszy).

Przykładowo, 6 stóp i 1 cal (6'1, 6'1" lub 6 ft 1 in) to 185 cm, a już 6'2 to 188, 6'3 to 191, 6'4 to 193 cm itd. Ne ma wartości pośrednich. Nie chce im się bawić w ułamki, np. 6 ft 3 1/2 in to 192 cm. Dlatego dużo tu zawyżanych czy zaokrąglanych w górę cyfr.

[Kiefer]

Nie wiem czy ktoś potwierdzi, ale jestem przekonany, że z 10 lat temu, a może i więcej, John Isner miał 206 cm, a Ivo Karlovic 208, a później pierwszy urósł o 2 cm, a drugi aż o 3.

[Starigniter]

Nie wiem czy ktoś potwierdzi, ale jestem przekonany, że z 10 lat temu, a może i więcej, John Isner miał 206 cm, a Ivo Karlovic 208, a później pierwszy urósł o 2 cm, a drugi aż o 3.

Tak było!
Nawet na stronie ATP był o tym artykuł

[no-handed backhand]

Dziwne, że brat Murraya nie wie, ile wzrostu ma Andy.

[Starigniter]

Dziwne, że brat Murraya nie wie, ile wzrostu ma Andy.

xD

[Starigniter]

LOL



Naprawdę był artykuł w ATP o tym jak podrośli Isner i Karlovic, ale link już wygasł
(http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis ... eight.aspx)

Natomiast znalazłem coś innego → https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/n ... ng-taller/

Ivo Karlovic is the tallest player in the history of ATP World Tour, narrowly edging past American John Isner who claims his height to be 6'10". After Isner announced a one-inch increment to his height, Karlovic took it to twitter last month, to get his status checked.

"Due to the recent increase in John Isner’s height, I had to double check mine. And what do you know?!! Your boy is 6’11! #tennismakesyougrow," Karlovic tweeted.

Czyli możemy się spodziewać, że Opelka także urośnie za jakiś czas o 1 cal i będzie miał wpisane 7 stóp wzrostu (213 cm)