Novak Djoković vs Rafael Nadal

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Wujek Toni pisze: ...Sądzę jednak, iż jeden, i to niepełny, sezon to troszeczkę za mało, aby przypisywać Djokovicowi trwałą zmianę marnego wcześniej stanu zdrowia.
Miałam do czynienia z osobą dorosłą, u której po wielu miesiącach zdiagnozowano nietolerancję glutenu. W ciągu tych kilku miesięcy była jedną nogą na tamtym świecie. Objawy tej choroby wyglądały przerażająco. To był fizycznie wrak człowieka. Byłam tym całkowicie zszokowana, bo nie zdawałam sobie sprawy jak to jest wyniszczające i niebezpieczne. Od wielu już lat, po krótkim leczeniu farmakologicznym i diecie wszystko minęło i stan zdrowia uległ diametralnej poprawie. Jeśli więc Novak będzie się trzymał reżimu diety, choroba nie powinna mieć wpływu na jego dyspozycję. Dla mnie , taką właśnie diametralną poprawę zdrowia było widać u Serba w tym roku. Myślę, że dało mu to dużo pewności siebie, wiary we własne siły i ochoty do gry.
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Can Novak Djokovic Vs Rafael Nadal create history in 2012?

The World number one Novak Djokovic and 10-time Grand Slam champion Rafael Nadal is likely to be the next toughest rivals in the next season.

Man-in-form Novak Djokovic, who has been playing one of the finest season in his tennis career, he has won ten ATP Tour titles including three Grand Slam and five masters’ titles this year. Djokovic and Nadal have clashed for six times in the championship finals this season, which includes Wimbledon at All England Club and US Open at Flushing Meadows. Nadal said it’s unfortunate to lose all six tournament finals to Djokovic this year.

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Both the players have battle for 29 times overall, where Nadal leads with a 17-12 win loss head-to-head record against Serbian. Nadal, who has won three major tiles last year with French Open, Wimbledon and US Open, but he had failed to continue the similar performance this year. Nadal has been working hard at his home town at Manacor, ahead of the BNP Paribas Masters tournament and Barclays ATP World Tour Finals in London.

The 16-time Grand Slam champion Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have dominated the men’s singles tennis for several years. Both the players have finished six consecutive calendars at the top two positions in the ATP singles rankings from 2005 to 2010. Djokovic is the only player to climb to No. 1 position in the ATP Rankings and three major titles in a year. Nadal and Djokovic is likely to meet in the Australian Open final in January next year.
Źródło: http://www.livetennisguide.com/2011/11/ ... y-in-2012/
W(20): 23': Halle 22': Doha, Bastad, Gijon 21': Cagliari, Lyon, Waszyngton 20': Montpellier 18': Doha, Pekin 17': Szanghaj, Bazylea 16': Queen's Club, Atlanta 14': Pekin 13': Montpellier, Atlanta 12': Kuala Lumpur, Szanghaj, Bazylea
F(29): 23': Pune, Australian Open, 22': Neapol 21': Marsylia, Stuttgart, Eastbourne, Gstaad, Winston-Salem, Metz 20': Adelajda, Australian Open 19': Montpellier 18': Dubaj, Umag 17': Sofia, Barcelona, s-Hertogenbosch', Wimbledon 16': Genewa, s-Hertogenbosch' 13': Barcelona, Madryt, Bercy 12': Dubaj, Estoril, Madryt, Rzym, Nicea 11': Los Angeles

W(14): 22': AO, MC, Madryt, Wimbledon, Cincy, Bercy 21': Toronto, Cincy 19': Montreal 18': MTT Finals 17': USO 15': AO, RG 13': Wimbledon
F(8): 23': Rzym 22': USO, MTT Finals 19: Rzym, Wimbledon, Davis Cup 18': USO 16':
Wimbledon 15':USO
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Tabela porównawcza wyników:
STAN NA DZIEŃ : 30.11.2011 rok
(wiek 24 lat, 4 miesiące)

Novak Djokvic vs Rafael Nadal

Turnieje/Finały 28/14 - 43/13
(TMS/Finały) 10/7 -18 /6
(TMC/Finały) 1/0 - 0/1
(GS/Finały) 4/2 - 9/2
Ranking 1 - 1
Ilość tyg jako #1: 22 - 73
Ilość wygranych sezonów (Year End #1): 1 - 2

Wyniki Rafaela pochodzą z dnia 30.11.2010 r.
W(20): 23': Halle 22': Doha, Bastad, Gijon 21': Cagliari, Lyon, Waszyngton 20': Montpellier 18': Doha, Pekin 17': Szanghaj, Bazylea 16': Queen's Club, Atlanta 14': Pekin 13': Montpellier, Atlanta 12': Kuala Lumpur, Szanghaj, Bazylea
F(29): 23': Pune, Australian Open, 22': Neapol 21': Marsylia, Stuttgart, Eastbourne, Gstaad, Winston-Salem, Metz 20': Adelajda, Australian Open 19': Montpellier 18': Dubaj, Umag 17': Sofia, Barcelona, s-Hertogenbosch', Wimbledon 16': Genewa, s-Hertogenbosch' 13': Barcelona, Madryt, Bercy 12': Dubaj, Estoril, Madryt, Rzym, Nicea 11': Los Angeles

W(14): 22': AO, MC, Madryt, Wimbledon, Cincy, Bercy 21': Toronto, Cincy 19': Montreal 18': MTT Finals 17': USO 15': AO, RG 13': Wimbledon
F(8): 23': Rzym 22': USO, MTT Finals 19: Rzym, Wimbledon, Davis Cup 18': USO 16':
Wimbledon 15':USO
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RIVALRIES 2011 - DJOKOVIC VS. NADAL

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Novak Djokovic recorded the first of
his six wins over Rafael Nadal in 2011
in the Indian Wells final.


This week ATPWorldTour.com reviews how the key rivalries played out in 2011, beginning today with Novak Djokovic vs. Rafael Nadal.

It was a rivalry that Rafael Nadal had previously commanded, but which Novak Djokovic turned on its head during the 2011 season. The top two players on the ATP World Tour contested six finals throughout the year, with Djokovic not only winning all six, but also claiming Nadal’s No. 1 crown in the South African Airways ATP Rankings.

"This guy is doing unbelievable things, so I just want to congratulate Novak," said Nadal after defeat in the US Open final. "What he did this year is probably impossible to repeat. I tried my best in every moment. This year I've lost a lot of finals against him. I have to accept I won a lot in the past and the only thing I can do is to try my best every day to keep improving."

The pair contested two electrifying matches in the finals of the BNP Paribas Open and the Sony Ericsson Open. After prevailing in three sets at Indian Wells, the as-yet-unbeaten-in-2011 Djokovic followed up two weeks later with victory in Miami, in what we deemed to be the second best ATP World Tour match of the season.

Many expected that Nadal would avenge those defeats come the clay-court season, with the Spaniard having won all nine of their previous meetings on clay. But the King of Clay was left reeling as Djokovic played what he declared to be "the best match of my life on clay against the World No. 1" to notch his 34th consecutive win of the season in the final of Mutua Madrid Open, in doing so snapping Nadal’s 37-match unbeaten run on the dirt. One week later the Serb was victorious again, once more defeating Nadal in straight sets in a clay-court final at the Internazionali BNL d’Italia.

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The pair met again in the Wimbledon championship match, where defending champion Nadal was bidding to win back-to-back Roland Garros and Wimbledon trophies for the third time. The left hander was once again thwarted by the unstoppable Djokovic, who dethroned the Spaniard with a 6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 6-3 victory and subsequently usurped Nadal at No. 1 in the South African Airways ATP Rankings.

"It has been the most special day of my life," declared Djokovic. "I always dreamed of winning this tournament. When you are playing the best player in the world, who has won two of the past three Wimbledons, I had to be on top of my game and I think I played my best grass-court match ever."

Djokovic and Nadal met for the final time in 2011 in a repeat of the 2010 US Open match. A year earlier, Nadal had completed the career Grand Slam with a four-set victory over Djokovic, but the tables were turned at Flushing Meadows as the Serb avenged that defeat with a 6-2, 6-4, 6-7(3), 6-1 win. The 24-year-old Djokovic became the sixth man in the Open Era to win three major titles in the same season.

Djokovic vs. Nadal: 2011 Meetings

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Ciekawe jak w następnym roku będzie wyglądała ich rywalizacja. Pewnie Nadal się wreszcie przełamie, bo w końcu musi wygrać. Panowie niedługo powinni pobić rekord 36 meczów h2h.
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Countdown To 2012 - Nadal Confronts Djokovic Challenge

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In 2012, Rafael Nadal will look to snap
a six-match losing streak against Novak Djokovic.


ATPWorldTour.com concludes its 'Countdown to 2012' series by looking at the impact Rafael Nadal could have in the upcoming season.

Rafael Nadal had a great 2011. No question. The Spaniard reached three major finals - lifting a record-equalling sixth Roland Garros trophy - and seven other title matches. Unfortunately, Novak Djokovic had an even better year.

Nadal's reality is that on the eve of the 2012 ATP World Tour season, the World No. 2 finds himself 4,035 South African Airways ATP Rankings points behind the Serbian.

He must find a way to reverse a six-final losing streak against Djokovic. That prospect will only come about by winning matches, beating Top 10 rivals and reaching finals. Tantalisingly, one victory over Djokovic could trigger another stellar year, such as his trophy-ladened 2008 or 2010. Only then, can Nadal think of mounting a challenge for World No. 1.

Neither goal will be easy. Sport at the very highest level, never is. Nadal realises that Djokovic won't wilt under the weight, or in the afterglow, of his magnificent 2011. Roger Federer will mount his own bid for a return to World No. 1; Andy Murray, will shoot for his first major title, and other players will also have goals to fulfil.

In any walk of life, rivalries and competitiveness are necessary to realise one's full capabilities. The two get magnified in sport. Over the past seven years, the tennis world has savoured Nadal and Federer's fascinating match-ups. Fans have debated their similarities, their differences and how in the heat of the battle, each player has attempted to express himself freely and instinctively.

Nadal leads Federer 17-9 in their FedEx ATP Head 2 Head series, but Djokovic is Nadal's latest challenge to supremacy. The 24-year-old Serbian took the sport to a higher level in 2011, moved to 13-16 lifetime against Nadal and made the threat of failure harder to bear for the 10-time major winner.

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The duopoly at the top of the South African Airways ATP Rankings was condemned to the history books in 2011. As a result, Nadal and Federer were forced to improve. Speaking to El Pais, the Spanish newspaper this week, Nadal, refreshingly, admitted, "Many times [this year], I had the feeling that I had no control of my matches".

Nadal, like Federer, is too resilient, too competitive, not to overcome this mental hurdle. As Brad Gilbert said in the latest FedEx Reliability Zone column, "belief and confidence are almost like brothers. When you have both, you just feel like you will always find a way to win. Djokovic didn't have it against Nadal before, but in 2011 he got it."

Speaking right at the end of his press conference, after his final match, at the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, in November, Nadal tellingly told reporters, "Experience tells me the changes [that I need to make] are just small things. But these small things, change - at the end of the day - a lot of things.

"That's what I have to do: work hard; work hard every day, morning [and] afternoon. I'm going to have my chance for next year to be competitive to win the big tournaments. I will do it. If it's not enough, it's not going to be enough. But I will be satisfied with myself."

You can be certain that Nadal's fitness, concentration and drive will be at their optimum levels when he returns to the lion's den at his first tournament of 2012, the Qatar ExxonMobil Open, next week in Doha.

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By playing more aggressively, inside the court and varying his forehand placement in baseline rallies, Nadal will be prepared for the sport's physical and mental demands against the best players in 2012. Adding extra zip to his serve, as highlighted so effectively at the 2010 US Open, will also boost his chances of adding to his 102 weeks at World No. 1.

This is backed up by statistics. According to Nadal's RICOH ATP MatchFacts in 2010, he hit 310 aces and won 75 per cent of his first service points. He won 90 per cent of his service games, saving 69 per cent of his 322 break points. Fast forward 12 months, and there is a difference. Nadal struck 267 aces, hit one more double fault (121), won 71 per cent of his first serves and 80 per cent of his service games. He saved 64 per cent of his 436 break points.

Historically, the heart of the tennis season is Nadal's strongest period. The Mallorcan is 231-18 lifetime on clay and he is also 48-10 on grass courts, with a 2-3 record in Wimbledon finals. "From Indian Wells to Wimbledon and the Olympic Games in London, that's where I have to be my best," Nadal told El Pais. No sacrifice is too great and in 2012, Nadal will be determined to re-assert his greatness.
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Niedzielny finał Australian Open 2012 będzie 30 wzajemnym pojedynkiem Novaka i Rafy. Panowie umocnili się na 6 miejscu listy wszech czasów:

1. Lendl 21-15 McEnroe 36
2. Lendl 22-13 Connors 35
2. Becker 25-10 Edberg 35
4. McEnroe 20-14 Connors 34
4. Sampras 20-14 Agassi 34
6. Nadal 16-13 Djokovic 30 mecz w niedzielę
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Djoković - Nadal 14-16
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis ... valry.aspx

Odwraca się rywalizacja, po dzisiejszym meczu na niebywałą skalę. 7 z rzędu zwycięstwo Serba.
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Zastanawia mnie jedna rzecz. Te 7 pojedynków Novaka z Rafą były wyrównane, ale szczególnie równo Panowie grali na...kortach twardych. Tyle się mówi o tym, że hard to podłoże Novaka, a trawa i clay to teren Hiszpana. Tymczasem, to właśnie na kortach twardych tablica wyników wskazywała najbliżej remisu. Dziś nawierzchnia nie stanowi wprawdzie takich różnic jak kiedyś, ale mimo wszystko wydaje się to dla mnie trochę niezrozumiałe.
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Najbardziej wyrównane były mecze na AO i w Miami, gdzie kort był wolniejszy niż clay. Nie ma tu nic dziwnego ;)
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Dobrze, ale nie chce mi się wierzyć, żeby Nadal był bardziej efektywny na jakimkolwiek hard niż jest na dowolnym korcie ziemnym. Przecież mówimy o Królu tej nawierzchni.
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Re: Novak Djoković vs Rafael Nadal

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DUN I LOVE pisze:Dobrze, ale nie chce mi się wierzyć, żeby Nadal był bardziej efektywny na jakimkolwiek hard niż jest na dowolnym korcie ziemnym. Przecież mówimy o Królu tej nawierzchni.
Niby tak, choć z drugiej strony ważny jet też kontekst sytuacyjny tych spotkań ;) Zarówno w Miami jak i na AO Nadal walczył z bardzo zmęczonym Novakiem, podczas gdy na clayu, zwłaszcza w Madrycie Serb był jeszcze bardzo świeży. Myślę też, że ważny jest stopień mobilizacji Novaka. Na hardzie na którym będąc w takiej formie Djokovic ma z założenia sporą przewagę nad Hiszpanem, mógł sobie pozwolić na momenty przestoju. Wiedział natomiast, że na ziemi nie wygrał inaczej niż grając na najwyższych obrotach, idealnie konsekwentnie przez cały czas. ;)
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Re: Novak Djoković vs Rafael Nadal

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Na moje jest tak, że na ziemi piłka Rafy odskakuje wyżej,a Serbowi jest to na rękę bo atakuje na wznosząca piłkę.
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Is Nole in Rafa's Game?

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by Peter Bodo
One of the ranking theories of superiority, especially in head-to-head results, generates from a fundamental disbelief that player A can and should regularly beat player B.

Then, when player B whups up on player A in what some—mostly rabid fans of, and apologists for, player A—insist is an extra-athletic or meta-strategic way, player B is said to "be in player A's head."

The assumption, tacit though it may be, is that there's no way player Rafael Nadal ought to beat Rog. . . whoops. . . no way player B ought to beat player A—all other things being equal. For it's plain as the nose on his face that compared to player B, player A clearly is one or more of the following: a) more talented; b) has a better game; c) is a better competitor; d) is a finer athletic specimen.

Therefore, the only reason player B has surprised us with those wins over player A is that the winner is "in his head." He has some kind of inexplicable psychological power over player A, or player B somehow represents the authoritarian father to whom player A still feels inferior, etc. etc.

You know: John McEnroe was in Bjorn Borg's head. Pete Sampras was in Andre Agassi's head, Michael Stich was in Boris Becker's head, Nadal was in Roger Federer's head, Novak Djokovic is in Rafa's head.

But it's surprising how this "in his head" business is almost always just an early-stage phenomenon, and over time it becomes clear that either player B has either moved from A's brain into his game, or we never really wanted to believe, or couldn't see, that player B simply was a lot better than we thought. Or he got a lot better, unexpectedly. Then it's legitimate to wonder, was it really that player B was in player A's head, or is it just that we didn't appreciate the quality, or potential quality, of B's game.

Suddenly, the idea that player B is in player A's head seems stupendously irrelevant.

This was the case with in the rivalry between Federer and Nadal, and Sunday showed that it probably is the case with Nadal and Djokovic. Before the Australian Open, you could probably fly that "in his head" business by lots of people, and perhaps even Rafa and/or Nole bought into it.

But you can throw it now, even if there's still a real chance that Nadal can re-tool (as he promises to do in an otherwise quiet month of February). We saw last Sunday that there are specific, clear, identifiable reasons for why Djokovic can handle Nadal just fine without having to crawl into Rafa's earhole.

(For more on Djokovic's superiority, also check out my post from earlier today over ESPN.)

1. Djokovic, by virtue of his diet, his constitution, his will, whatever. . . is superior to Nadal in the fitness department. This is something that no one expected, partly because Nadal's game appears so much more physical, right down to his leaping air punches.

But the signs that in his own quiet way Nole is Rafa's equal in stamina were there as early as last April, when Djokovic backed up his win over Nadal at Indian Wells in a physical, three-set win in Miami. You can revisit that match in my Bare-Knickle Tennis post of the time.

While both men were shaky near the end of the battle of Melbourne, Djokovic seemed the one more able to play aggressive tennis, which suggests that he was better able to muster the energy to finish the task at hand. Both men are incredibly fit, but Djokovic's reservoir seems deeper.

2. In a comparison of backhands and how they are deployed, Nadal's looks woefully undergunned. That slice with which he buys time and/or treads water may work against lesser opponents, but it allows Djokovic to take the initiative in rallies with impunity.

Nadal, to his credit, knows he needs to be more forceful and aggressive with his backhand and tried to pull it off at times; he will presumably continue working on it. But Djokovic's backhand is a fully-realized thing of beauty—and menace.

3. Court position is as critical in tennis as field position is in NFL football, and it's the easiest thing to overlook when the boys are trading topspin shots that makes it look more like they're playing with kittens than optic yellow tennis balls. Djokovic is superb at winning the court position battle—partly because he innately knows how important it is.

One of the major distinguishing characteristics between a clay-court and hard-court player (although court position certainly counts on all surfaces) is this awareness of how much there is to gain by playing "inside" the court, especially if you can effectively take the ball on the rise. Nadal's early superiority on clay has hurt ability to play on or inside the baseline in the manner of a great hard-court player like Djokovic (or an Agassi or Connors). Aside: perhaps developing his game on clay in Spain has also hurt Andy Murray in this regard.

4. Djokovic's service return is a remarkable asset. Nadal put it best after the match when he told the world press: "Is something unbelievable how he (Djokovic) returns, no? His return probably is one of the best of the history. That's my opinion, no? I never played against a player who's able to return like this. Almost every time." 'Nuf said.

5. Second-serve conversion rate. In the final Down Under, Djokovic's winning percentage on first and second serves were, respectively, 68 and 63 percent, while Nadal's were 66-45. It was the most telling stat of the day, and it helps explain how Djokovic managed to allow Nadal just six break points while accumulating a whopping 20 of his own (one of the few bright spots for Nadal: He converted four of those six, while Djokovic was successful on just seven of 20).

Granted, this could change; wasn't it just 18 or so months ago that Djokovic had trouble finding the box with his serve? But that was then and this is now—a now that has lasted for over a year and five Grand Slam events. The reality is that Djokovic doesn't even need to be in Nadal's head. He's established himself successfully in Nadal's game.
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Re: Novak Djoković vs Rafael Nadal

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Jacques D. pisze:
DUN I LOVE pisze:Dobrze, ale nie chce mi się wierzyć, żeby Nadal był bardziej efektywny na jakimkolwiek hard niż jest na dowolnym korcie ziemnym. Przecież mówimy o Królu tej nawierzchni.
Niby tak, choć z drugiej strony ważny jet też kontekst sytuacyjny tych spotkań ;) Zarówno w Miami jak i na AO Nadal walczył z bardzo zmęczonym Novakiem, podczas gdy na clayu, zwłaszcza w Madrycie Serb był jeszcze bardzo świeży. Myślę też, że ważny jest stopień mobilizacji Novaka. Na hardzie na którym będąc w takiej formie Djokovic ma z założenia sporą przewagę nad Hiszpanem, mógł sobie pozwolić na momenty przestoju. Wiedział natomiast, że na ziemi nie wygrał inaczej niż grając na najwyższych obrotach, idealnie konsekwentnie przez cały czas. ;)
Czy bardzo świeży? W jednym i drugim ceglanym turnieju grał do późnych godzin wieczornym mecze półfinałowe i oba trwały 3 sety. O ile mecz z Bellucim był intensywny, ale dosyć krótki, o tyle z Murrayem w Rzymie trwała prawdziwa wojna na wyniszczenie. W jednym i drugim turnieju Nadal dużo dłużej odpoczywał i tylko semi z Federerem w Madrycie było pojedynkiem porównywalnym "fizycznie" do gier Nole'a.

Zgadzam się, co do przewagi Serba na hard, ale nie wiem, czy granie TB w 3 secie w Miami czy 12 gemów w 5 na AO można nazwać tylko efektem kontrolowanego przestoju.
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Djokovic vs. Nadal – 30 matches

Posted on February 2, 2012 by Voo de Mar

Their epic Australian Open final broke two records: the longest match in Melbourne and the longest Grand Slam final. What a perfect timing to create such a battle during 30th meeting of these two modern gladiators. Although Djokovic has won their last seven meetings, Nadal still leads overall 16-14. The Serb now needs to beat Nadal on Parisian clay to underline his overwhelming superioriity over “the king of clay”.
“I’m playing the best tennis of my life, and in 2011, I made back-to-back wins on the clay against Rafa,” Djokovic says about their rivalry and high hopes to become the first man since Rod Laver to win four majors in a row. “The semifinals of Roland Garros was an incredible match against Federer, and so it gives me enough reason to believe that actually I can go to the finals maybe this year, and I’m thinking about it. There is no secret about it, but again, it’s still a long way through“. Nadal admitts class of his biggest rival: “His return is probably one of the best in history. I never played against a player who’s able to return like this, almost every time.” Below all matches they played so far with some statistical info. It seems they’re going to be the first pair in the Open era to play 40 matches against each other in singles. I guess they should surpass the Lendl-McEnroe record already next year.

2006 (1-0 Nadal)

1. Roland Garros, QF: Nadal 6-4, 6-4 ret. (1 hour, 56 minutes)

2007 (5-2 Nadal)

2. Indian Wells, F: Nadal 6-2, 7-5 (1 hour, 36 minutes)
3. Miami, QF: Djokovic 6-3, 6-4 (1 hour, 37 minutes)
4. Rome, QF: Nadal 6-2, 6-3 (1 hour, 41 minutes)
5. Roland Garros, SF: Nadal 7-5, 6-4, 6-2 (2 hours, 28 minutes)
6. Wimbledon, SF: Nadal 3-6, 6-1, 4-1 ret. (1 hour, 41 minutes)
7. Montreal, SF: Djokovic 7-5, 6-3 (1 hour, 51 minutes)
8. Shanghai, RR: Nadal 6-4, 6-4 (1 hour, 44 minutes)

2008 (4-2 Nadal)

9. Indian Wells, SF: Djokovic 6-3, 6-2 (1 hour, 22 minutes)
10. Hamburg, SF: Nadal 7-5, 2-6, 6-2 (3 hours, 3 minutes)
11. Roland Garros, SF: Nadal 6-4, 6-2, 7-6 (2 hours, 49 minutes)
12. Queens Club, F: Nadal 7-6, 7-5 (2 hours, 16 minutes)
13. Cincinnati, SF: Djokovic 6-1, 7-5 (1 hour, 26 minutes)
14. Beijing-Olympics, SF: Nadal 6-4, 1-6, 6-4 (2 hours, 10 minutes)

2009 (4-3 Nadal)

15. Davis Cup, QF: Nadal 6-4, 6-4, 6-1 (2 hours, 28 minutes)
16. Monte Carlo, F: Nadal 6-3, 2-6, 6-1 (2 hours, 43 minutes)
17. Rome, F: Nadal 7-6, 6-2 (2 hours, 3 minutes)
18. Madrid, SF: Nadal 3-6, 7-6, 7-6 (4 hours, 3 minutes) - 3 m.p.
D: Montreal, 1R: Nadal / F.Roig d. Djokovic / D.Vemic 7-5, 6-4
19. Cincinnati, SF: Djokovic 6-1, 6-4 (1 hour, 32 minutes)
20. Paris, SF: Djokovic 6-2, 6-3 (1 hour, 17 minutes)
21. London, RR: Djokovic 7-6, 6-3 (1 hour, 58 minutes)

2010 (2-0 Nadal)

22. US Open, F: Nadal 6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2 (3 hours, 43 minutes)
23. London, RR: Nadal 7-5, 6-2 (1 hour, 52 minutes)

2011 (6-0 Djokovic)

24. Indian Wells, F: Djokovic 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 (2 hours, 25 minutes)
25. Miami, F: Djokovic 4-6, 6-3, 7-6 (3 hours, 21 minutes)
26. Madrid, F: Djokovic 7-5, 6-4 (2 hours, 17 minutes)
27. Rome, F: Djokovic 6-4, 6-4 (2 hours, 12 minutes)
28. Wimbledon, F: Djokovic 6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 6-3 (2 hours, 28 minutes)
29. US Open, F: Djokovic 6-2, 6-4, 6-7, 6-1 (4 hours, 10 minutes)

2012

30. Australian Open, F: Djokovic 6-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5 (5 hours, 53 minutes)
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Jak myślicie. Ile gier Panowie ze sobą zagrają do końca 2012 roku? ;)
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Re: Novak Djoković vs Rafael Nadal

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Za dużo. :P
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DUN I LOVE pisze:Jak myślicie. Ile gier Panowie ze sobą zagrają do końca 2012 roku? ;)
4-5 jak dobrze pójdzie :P
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IW
Miami
MC
Madryt
Rzym
RG
Wimbledon
IO
Kanada
Cincy
USO
plus może jeszcze Halle i turnieje jesienne (chociaż sezon wyjątkowo obciążający, więc różnie to może być). Rok temu zagrali 6 pojedynków, o dziwo wcale nie tak znowu dużo. :D
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2023 (3) Waszyngton, Indian Wells M1000, Buenos Aires, 2022 (3) Wimbledon, Miami M1000, Australian Open, 2021 (4) San Diego, Wimbledon, Halle, Genewa, 2020 (2) Paryż-Bercy M1000, Acapulco, 2019 (2) Kitzbuhel, Genewa, 2018 (3) Sankt Petersburg, Stuttgart, Marsylia, 2017 (2) Sztokholm, Indian Wells M1000, 2016 (2) Newport, Rotterdam, 2015 (1) Halle, 2014 (1) Tokio, 2013 (2) Basel, Kuala Lumpur, 2011 (3) WTF, Cincinnati M1000, Rzym M1000, 2010 (2) Basel, Marsylia, 2009 (4) WTF, Stuttgart, Wimbledon, Madryt M1000, 2008 (1) WTF
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